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	<title>Comments on: Using Shred to Wipe Hard Drives &#8211; DoD Uses It &#8211; You Should Too!</title>
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	<description>a swift kick in the *nix</description>
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		<title>By: Kyle Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.fsckin.com/2008/01/09/using-shred-to-wipe-hard-drives-dod-uses-it-you-should-too/comment-page-1/#comment-5903</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 09:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that many times articles written this way do not keep the attention of the reader, this was not the case in this article. Excellent read, thanks for the post and looking forward to more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that many times articles written this way do not keep the attention of the reader, this was not the case in this article. Excellent read, thanks for the post and looking forward to more!</p>
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		<title>By: Use Shred to Wipe Hard Drives in Ubuntu &#124; TurboLinux Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Use Shred to Wipe Hard Drives in Ubuntu &#124; TurboLinux Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is a good tutorial show you how to Use Shred to Wipe Hard Drives in Ubuntu: Hard drive encryption (and to a lesser extent, secure hard drive erasing) has been in the news regarding child pornography crossing the US border, government officials around the world erasing incriminating emails and other nefarious headlines. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here is a good tutorial show you how to Use Shred to Wipe Hard Drives in Ubuntu: Hard drive encryption (and to a lesser extent, secure hard drive erasing) has been in the news regarding child pornography crossing the US border, government officials around the world erasing incriminating emails and other nefarious headlines. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Roh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about doing multiple shreds versus one shred with the Guttman method?

For example, I do one shred with the 35-pass Guttman method once. Or, I can do the 7-pass DoD method 5 times. Which would be more effective for bypassing any forms of data forensics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about doing multiple shreds versus one shred with the Guttman method?</p>
<p>For example, I do one shred with the 35-pass Guttman method once. Or, I can do the 7-pass DoD method 5 times. Which would be more effective for bypassing any forms of data forensics?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shane

PGP&#039;s Shred Free Space includes the option to shred metadata as well as file space on NTFS volumes.  I have no idea how it works, but I presume that they were able to get enough info from M$ on the innards of NTFS to know how to do that safely.  My guess is, considering how hard it&#039;s been to get even enough info to create the Linux NTFS drivers, it may be a trick to find out what has to be found out to accomplish that.

However, what would be the degree of difficulty finding and shredding metadata for such as Ext3 and Reiser?  At least the technical details are freely available.  Anyone know enough about them (which means, a lot more than I do) to estimate the practicality of getting shred to handle those cases?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shane</p>
<p>PGP&#8217;s Shred Free Space includes the option to shred metadata as well as file space on NTFS volumes.  I have no idea how it works, but I presume that they were able to get enough info from M$ on the innards of NTFS to know how to do that safely.  My guess is, considering how hard it&#8217;s been to get even enough info to create the Linux NTFS drivers, it may be a trick to find out what has to be found out to accomplish that.</p>
<p>However, what would be the degree of difficulty finding and shredding metadata for such as Ext3 and Reiser?  At least the technical details are freely available.  Anyone know enough about them (which means, a lot more than I do) to estimate the practicality of getting shred to handle those cases?</p>
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		<title>By: DENNIS TEEL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DENNIS TEEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7 passes is generally fine and is what the DOD recommends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7 passes is generally fine and is what the DOD recommends.</p>
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		<title>By: Turvaline kõvaketta kustutamine Linuxiga &#171; .mrt memo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turvaline kõvaketta kustutamine Linuxiga &#171; .mrt memo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fscking /w linux videot välkmälupulga [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nerdbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>nerdbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JST,

No, there&#039;s nothing that&#039;s popularly available on disk drives as currently done. The stuff that&#039;s out there is pretty generic, but you&#039;ll never see discussion of modern encoding schemes, ECC schemes, error recovery and management, or the like. That&#039;s all vendor proprietary and secret. There are even quite a few secret ATA commands that are vendor proprietary that are usually disabled and hidden after manufacture. 

As to the Seagate FDE drives, they have to have a password entered at boot time since it&#039;s full disk encryption and unless you give the right passphrase you don&#039;t get access to the disk at all. It&#039;s an enhanced version of the BIOS password since it&#039;s actually the key to the AES engine. 

There were older variations of this scheme that weren&#039;t all that secure. The old version used by the IBM laptop drives was a far simpler encryption scheme that could be broken by brute force if needed (there were several companies that specialized in this).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JST,</p>
<p>No, there&#8217;s nothing that&#8217;s popularly available on disk drives as currently done. The stuff that&#8217;s out there is pretty generic, but you&#8217;ll never see discussion of modern encoding schemes, ECC schemes, error recovery and management, or the like. That&#8217;s all vendor proprietary and secret. There are even quite a few secret ATA commands that are vendor proprietary that are usually disabled and hidden after manufacture. </p>
<p>As to the Seagate FDE drives, they have to have a password entered at boot time since it&#8217;s full disk encryption and unless you give the right passphrase you don&#8217;t get access to the disk at all. It&#8217;s an enhanced version of the BIOS password since it&#8217;s actually the key to the AES engine. </p>
<p>There were older variations of this scheme that weren&#8217;t all that secure. The old version used by the IBM laptop drives was a far simpler encryption scheme that could be broken by brute force if needed (there were several companies that specialized in this).</p>
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		<title>By: JST</title>
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		<dc:creator>JST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PredatoryFern,

A few years ago, I fell in love with that animation.

They had this form where you could order a free shirt that had the... _&#124;_  mathematical symbol for perpendicular on it and the text &quot;Get Perpendicular&quot;, with Hitachi on the front.  I missed the opportunity, and want it so badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PredatoryFern,</p>
<p>A few years ago, I fell in love with that animation.</p>
<p>They had this form where you could order a free shirt that had the&#8230; _|_  mathematical symbol for perpendicular on it and the text &#8220;Get Perpendicular&#8221;, with Hitachi on the front.  I missed the opportunity, and want it so badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne,

You do know that ext3 is a journaling file system a using meta data to keep track of everything on your hard drive.

That is the only way it can recover information in a power blink, system crash, etc.

So it is still possible to recover the data through the meta data on the file system...

-Shane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne,</p>
<p>You do know that ext3 is a journaling file system a using meta data to keep track of everything on your hard drive.</p>
<p>That is the only way it can recover information in a power blink, system crash, etc.</p>
<p>So it is still possible to recover the data through the meta data on the file system&#8230;</p>
<p>-Shane</p>
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		<title>By: PredatoryFern</title>
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		<dc:creator>PredatoryFern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ JST

*cough* Here&#039;s an educational vid on Perpendicular Magnetic Recording...

http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ JST</p>
<p>*cough* Here&#8217;s an educational vid on Perpendicular Magnetic Recording&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html</a></p>
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