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		<title>By: Penny31</title>
		<link>http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/26/comcast-responds-to-the-million-dollar-question-and-lies-again/comment-page-1/#comment-5094</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CSR, it&#039;s funny in many of the parts you write you appear very intelligent and well spoken and then in other parts you seems completely ignorant and uneducated (i.e, scedualling (what the hell is that) and (descression)).  You&#039;re an idiot and all you&#039;re doing is copying and pasting info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CSR, it&#8217;s funny in many of the parts you write you appear very intelligent and well spoken and then in other parts you seems completely ignorant and uneducated (i.e, scedualling (what the hell is that) and (descression)).  You&#8217;re an idiot and all you&#8217;re doing is copying and pasting info.</p>
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		<title>By: lame</title>
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		<dc:creator>lame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to the guy at the top...  &#039; we do not block torrents &#039; 


thats um.  BS.  comcast sure does block the UPLOADING of torrents.   straight up blocked.   .0001k/sec for your upload.  especially if its unencrypted.  or runs longer than some magical time allowed.   or if your upload exceeds your download for awhile.

and while that is happening you may or may not be able to use the web for anything else either.

thats blocked.  filtered.  screwed.   hey i&#039;m bein robbed.  blocked.   

you shill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to the guy at the top&#8230;  &#8216; we do not block torrents &#8216; </p>
<p>thats um.  BS.  comcast sure does block the UPLOADING of torrents.   straight up blocked.   .0001k/sec for your upload.  especially if its unencrypted.  or runs longer than some magical time allowed.   or if your upload exceeds your download for awhile.</p>
<p>and while that is happening you may or may not be able to use the web for anything else either.</p>
<p>thats blocked.  filtered.  screwed.   hey i&#8217;m bein robbed.  blocked.   </p>
<p>you shill.</p>
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		<title>By: SuperSparky</title>
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		<dc:creator>SuperSparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comcast &quot;prioritizes packets?&quot;  Isn&#039;t that just another way of admitting that the infrastructure is so poorly designed that packet priorities must compensate for a sorely underpowered network?  Any sort of packet &quot;prioritizing&quot;, regardless of what the packets are shows an attempt at content filtering, which actually makes them legally liable for the content on their network as it shows they are actively monitoring the content.  The exemptions a &quot;data provider&quot; has only applies if they make no attempts at monitoring or controlling the data.

By the way, I have COX.  No filtering here.  I have never had problems in my area, with COX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comcast &#8220;prioritizes packets?&#8221;  Isn&#8217;t that just another way of admitting that the infrastructure is so poorly designed that packet priorities must compensate for a sorely underpowered network?  Any sort of packet &#8220;prioritizing&#8221;, regardless of what the packets are shows an attempt at content filtering, which actually makes them legally liable for the content on their network as it shows they are actively monitoring the content.  The exemptions a &#8220;data provider&#8221; has only applies if they make no attempts at monitoring or controlling the data.</p>
<p>By the way, I have COX.  No filtering here.  I have never had problems in my area, with COX.</p>
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		<title>By: HossMonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>HossMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The majority of the people in COMCASTs call center can cancel (as well as change or alter your package) you if you request it. What they are taught to do is talk you out of it but if they can&#039;t or don&#039;t think they have a chance in doing so, they are told to tranfer you to &quot;RETENTION&quot;. Retention has codes for discounts that aren&#039;t well known to the sales team or billing team and this is where you&#039;ll have the best chance for a discount (ie. free month, 3 months @ $24 a month etc.). Beware, if you call in and &quot;demand&quot; to be canceled they will do it ... 

You&#039;ll have a better chance of getting a person in retention if you phone in to cancel (via key selection) and call between 7-9PM. Why? If you push the prompts to &quot;add service&quot; your going to get an inside sales person. They get dinged (reduces commision) for your call if they don&#039;t add or upgrade a service and since they just got dinged they are going to be less likely to offer a significant discount! The time is important as well .... if retention is overwhelmed with calls for what ever reason ... you go in to the queue and may be helped by billing, sales, support etc.

Sorry for run-on sentences!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of the people in COMCASTs call center can cancel (as well as change or alter your package) you if you request it. What they are taught to do is talk you out of it but if they can&#8217;t or don&#8217;t think they have a chance in doing so, they are told to tranfer you to &#8220;RETENTION&#8221;. Retention has codes for discounts that aren&#8217;t well known to the sales team or billing team and this is where you&#8217;ll have the best chance for a discount (ie. free month, 3 months @ $24 a month etc.). Beware, if you call in and &#8220;demand&#8221; to be canceled they will do it &#8230; </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll have a better chance of getting a person in retention if you phone in to cancel (via key selection) and call between 7-9PM. Why? If you push the prompts to &#8220;add service&#8221; your going to get an inside sales person. They get dinged (reduces commision) for your call if they don&#8217;t add or upgrade a service and since they just got dinged they are going to be less likely to offer a significant discount! The time is important as well &#8230;. if retention is overwhelmed with calls for what ever reason &#8230; you go in to the queue and may be helped by billing, sales, support etc.</p>
<p>Sorry for run-on sentences!</p>
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		<title>By: casper911ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>casper911ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like Concast (convenient typo) is hoarding the spotlight. What about COX. COX has been packets shaping as well, and I also consistently get kicked off the network half an hour into opening a torrent. There ways do disguise it I &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt;, tracker and peer proxies, encryption etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like Concast (convenient typo) is hoarding the spotlight. What about COX. COX has been packets shaping as well, and I also consistently get kicked off the network half an hour into opening a torrent. There ways do disguise it I <i>think</i>, tracker and peer proxies, encryption etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did that and got them down to $20/month but for &quot;cable internet&quot; it&#039;s slooooow about 20mbps</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did that and got them down to $20/month but for &#8220;cable internet&#8221; it&#8217;s slooooow about 20mbps</p>
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		<title>By: Mir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like everyone to take a step back from this issue, and look at the larger picture.

Packet shaping really has nothing to do with whats going on here. Sure, it&#039;s an underlying part of the discussion, but the real issue is that Comcast is being extremely devious with it&#039;s customer base, and isn&#039;t being honest about what they are doing.

Sure, the Comcast network belongs to Comcast. That&#039;s fantastic. This DOES NOT mean they can do anything they want with it. There are regulatory bodies that control certain aspects of what communications companies are allowed to do. Now with regards to packet shaping, I doubt the FCC or anyone else intervenes here, so sure, Comcast can shape all they want. That&#039;s FINE... but they sure shouldn&#039;t be lying about it, or perhaps more accurately; carefully avoiding being honest about it. The fact that this dishonesty is the core issue means that being able to use encryption to bypass the shaping is an irrelevant point.

The fact that torrents are frequently used for illegal activities is also completely irrelevant. Many illegal activities also involve the exchange of money, so when the bank starts refusing to allow you access to your bank accounts, are you going to accept the response &quot;Money is often used for illegal activities, so we can&#039;t let you have it.&quot;? Of course you won&#039;t. Thats ludicrous. 

At risk of using a slippery slope fallacy, I posit that accepting this &quot;it&#039;s often illegal&quot; argument is pure stupidity. Almost everything in the world can be and IS used for illegal and nefarious purposes. This does not give anyone the right to deny access to those people who use it legitimately. 

In closing, I&#039;d like to reiterate that the issue here is not the packet shaping, but the blatant dishonesty Comcast shows it&#039;s customers. If they were up front about it, sure some people would still complain, but they can find another provider.

P.S. Wayne: Your country doesn&#039;t even come close to having a monopoly on intelligence - or stupidity. Sure we have idiots in Canada, too, but you&#039;re way out of line to think that you are in any way superior to us in the technical field. There are a number of extremely gifted programmers and technicians up here, and on behalf of all of them I bid you a fond &quot;Die in a fire&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like everyone to take a step back from this issue, and look at the larger picture.</p>
<p>Packet shaping really has nothing to do with whats going on here. Sure, it&#8217;s an underlying part of the discussion, but the real issue is that Comcast is being extremely devious with it&#8217;s customer base, and isn&#8217;t being honest about what they are doing.</p>
<p>Sure, the Comcast network belongs to Comcast. That&#8217;s fantastic. This DOES NOT mean they can do anything they want with it. There are regulatory bodies that control certain aspects of what communications companies are allowed to do. Now with regards to packet shaping, I doubt the FCC or anyone else intervenes here, so sure, Comcast can shape all they want. That&#8217;s FINE&#8230; but they sure shouldn&#8217;t be lying about it, or perhaps more accurately; carefully avoiding being honest about it. The fact that this dishonesty is the core issue means that being able to use encryption to bypass the shaping is an irrelevant point.</p>
<p>The fact that torrents are frequently used for illegal activities is also completely irrelevant. Many illegal activities also involve the exchange of money, so when the bank starts refusing to allow you access to your bank accounts, are you going to accept the response &#8220;Money is often used for illegal activities, so we can&#8217;t let you have it.&#8221;? Of course you won&#8217;t. Thats ludicrous. </p>
<p>At risk of using a slippery slope fallacy, I posit that accepting this &#8220;it&#8217;s often illegal&#8221; argument is pure stupidity. Almost everything in the world can be and IS used for illegal and nefarious purposes. This does not give anyone the right to deny access to those people who use it legitimately. </p>
<p>In closing, I&#8217;d like to reiterate that the issue here is not the packet shaping, but the blatant dishonesty Comcast shows it&#8217;s customers. If they were up front about it, sure some people would still complain, but they can find another provider.</p>
<p>P.S. Wayne: Your country doesn&#8217;t even come close to having a monopoly on intelligence &#8211; or stupidity. Sure we have idiots in Canada, too, but you&#8217;re way out of line to think that you are in any way superior to us in the technical field. There are a number of extremely gifted programmers and technicians up here, and on behalf of all of them I bid you a fond &#8220;Die in a fire&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow.  a simple thing like managing bandwidth has everyone in a tussle.  WHO CARES!!!!  I&#039;m sure Charter (my isp) has ways of managing their bandwidth so everyone gets an equal share, or so one part of the system doesn&#039;t get overloaded.  It sounds reasonable to me.  For example, if I use a bittorrent client AT ALL, even only downloading one thing at a low rate, it dramatically effects my online games.  500k connection, 20k torrent limit=poor online gaming.  I don&#039;t know why and I don&#039;t care.  More use here equals less there.  The fact that 90% of torrents are 100% illegal and they are the highest use of bandwidth means we are lucky to have them at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow.  a simple thing like managing bandwidth has everyone in a tussle.  WHO CARES!!!!  I&#8217;m sure Charter (my isp) has ways of managing their bandwidth so everyone gets an equal share, or so one part of the system doesn&#8217;t get overloaded.  It sounds reasonable to me.  For example, if I use a bittorrent client AT ALL, even only downloading one thing at a low rate, it dramatically effects my online games.  500k connection, 20k torrent limit=poor online gaming.  I don&#8217;t know why and I don&#8217;t care.  More use here equals less there.  The fact that 90% of torrents are 100% illegal and they are the highest use of bandwidth means we are lucky to have them at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uTorrent&#039;s encryption set to forced definitely raised my upload and download speeds.  Up yours, comcast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uTorrent&#8217;s encryption set to forced definitely raised my upload and download speeds.  Up yours, comcast.</p>
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		<title>By: Bored</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bored</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 02:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ bigB your an idiot. he happend to tell you how to fix your issue :) force encryption and it resolves the throttleing. when you learn to read. feel free to comment again.</description>
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